Biden and Fain Date, AM Radio or Bust, GROK In Your Friend’s Tesla

November 8, 2023
Welcome to Wednesday as we’re wheels up for Used Car Week, but first we’re talking about Joe Biden’s upcoming visit with Shawn Fein. We also talk about the ongoing battle over whether to keep AM radio in cars or not. Finally, we’ll visit with our new friend GROK again.
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Joe Biden is set to meet with UAW President Shawn Fain on Thursday to discuss Stellantis' reopening of an Illinois assembly plant in a show of commitment to U.S. manufacturing and job creation

  • Biden had weighed in during the strike in favor of the union and called Fain after the contract was reached
  • Stellantis plans a $3.2 billion investment in a new battery plant and a $1.5 billion investment in a mid-size truck factory in Illinois.
  • The investments are part of a labor agreement adding 5,000 U.S. jobs by 2028, pending ratification.
  • President Biden lauded the labor agreements, emphasizing their significance in strengthening the U.S. auto industry and expanding domestic manufacturing capabilities.
  • Fain has yet to endorse Biden in his 2024 reelection bid

A report from the Center for Automotive Research outlines the potential cost to automakers of maintaining AM radio functionality in electric vehicles due to electromagnetic interference, and it's A LOT. 

  • Costs to mitigate interference with AM radio in EVs could total as much as $3.8 billion by 2030.
  • Technical solutions like shielding and filtering add costs and may affect vehicle weight and battery range and could add up to $70 in cost to every vehicle
  • Legislative efforts are pushing to keep AM radio in new vehicles, citing its importance in emergencies. The automakers are pushing back…the broadcaster’s alliance wants to keep it…
  • John Bozzella, CEO of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, argues that mandating AM radio in EVs is unwarranted and would incur extra costs for consumers.
  • Bozzella contrasts the necessity of mandated safety features like airbags and seat belts with the imposition of analog AM radio tuners, a move he says is unprecedented by the government…"The government has never gone there before,"

On the heels of revealing AI chatbot Grok, Elon Musk has announced that Tesla will integrate the AI into its vehicles.

  • Grok AI, inspired by 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy', is designed to be conversational, humorous, and slightly rebellious, offering a unique spin on the traditional AI assistant.
  • A "smaller quantized" version of Grok AI is reported to run natively in Tesla vehicles, utilizing the cars' local computing power for a seamless in-car user experience.
  • Musk envisions Tesla vehicles to be self-sufficient in anticipating and addressing owner needs, with Grok AI becoming a key component in realizing this future.
  • Replying to an X thread about the integration, Musk said, "Provided our vehicle AI computer is able to run the model, Tesla will probably have the most amount of true usable inference compute on Earth."

Paul Daly: 0:36

It's here. It's Wednesday. We're wheels up to Phoenix. We're gonna be in Phoenix by like this afternoon. But today we have to talk about Joe Biden and then Shawn fades date am radio and grock in your friends Tesla, because you don't have a Tesla. Friend so Tesla. Yeah. Yeah, see what if you do have a Tesla, it's because you bought it from a dealer from a dealer absent

Kyle Mountsier: 1:02

to use Tesla only bought it from a dealer. Trust me, they

Paul Daly: 1:05

lost a lot of money on it. It was awesome. So at that point, is it better to buy it? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot going

Kyle Mountsier: 1:15

on. Like, you know, every once in a while we have an episode, where it's like we're really really leaning into the automotive troublemaker. I think

Paul Daly: 1:25

this is that episode feeling salty today? I don't know. I mean, we're gonna be on the ground with us car week. It's both of our first times that used car week. And Steve Greenfield kind of prepped us a little bit. But I'm really excited to just like, feel the vibe of a new event that I've been hearing about for all these years never went actually

Kyle Mountsier: 1:41

yeah, we don't have a ton of commit. But we got the podcast stage this afternoon. Oh, yes. So we'll bring you that will bring you some insights, some people from the event. And then tomorrow afternoon, we're going to interview Steve Greenfield and the winner of the navcon Cup. So we'll make sure and bring you that content. So we're excited to just share a little bit of

Paul Daly: 2:00

what I'm gonna call this because Kyle and I are role no producer. So we're doing like we usually do, we're setting up with stuff. And if if the internet is good enough when we get there, maybe we live maybe we will livestream our podcast. Whoa, we'll see comments. Yeah. So I mean, if if you want to be paying attention, what time I have to do the time calculation, Five

Kyle Mountsier: 2:24

Mountain, which means that's going to be seven central on the east and 77 Eastern. Yeah,

Paul Daly: 2:32

maybe a nice evening livestream. You ask your questions and all that day, just kind

Kyle Mountsier: 2:35

of get in after after dinner you get on LinkedIn jump in tomorrow afternoon. It's Tuesday. It's it's two o'clock. So

Paul Daly: 2:45

three or four. Yeah. And that's going to be we're going to have Steve Greenfield and the winner of navcon live on the show. Well live if the internet's good enough. So use car week. We're calling you out right now. Please, if it's not set, get it set. Give us an Ethernet get something please. All right. Let's talk about some news. Here. We have some interesting I'm all excited to use some trigger pads we haven't used in a while on the let's start off with a bang. Joe Biden is set to meet with UAW president Sean fain on Thursday to discuss still ANSYS reopening of an Illinois assembly plant and to show his commitment to US manufacturing job creation. So if you remember Joe Biden weighed in during the strike in favor of the Union. It was a pretty unprecedented move. And he even called Shawn fain after the contract was reached, probably congratulate him, maybe plan out this little date they have going on here. Solanas plans, a $3.2 billion investment in a new battery plant and a$1.5 billion investment in a mid sized truck plant. So they're part of a larger labor agreement to add 5000 US jobs by 2028. Pending ratification. So President Biden he obviously lauded the labor agreements, emphasizing their significance, you know, domestic manufacturing, all that good stuff. And here's the kicker. Fein has still yet to endorse him for his 2024 REP.

Kyle Mountsier: 4:06

Said no one I'm so surprised. Yeah,

Paul Daly: 4:09

no, no, this is gonna be like one of those. One of those, you know, like meetings where it's like the other one person really needs something from you and the other person got everything they needed, found

Kyle Mountsier: 4:17

everything they needed from you. And it's like by See, I think the fun things about the story for me are just the fact that we are seeing a deeper investment in local communities that will provide jobs like 5000 new people that get to call automotive. Yes, that's what we like, Let's go live like that. We're going to show up and just be like, Hey, welcome to the family. Everybody. excited you're here.

Paul Daly: 4:47

They would just have no idea what to do. They wouldn't know it because they don't talk about dealers in the factories. Well, they probably do talk about dealers in the factories. Yeah, not in the way we talked about. Yeah, I've

Kyle Mountsier: 5:01

got a few friends that work around the Nissan side. And those guys locally, they talk. They talk, they talk

Paul Daly: 5:09

about it, but they talk. All right. Well, speaking of talking, a lot of talking,

Kyle Mountsier: 5:15

see, got it.

Paul Daly: 5:17

I got another trip tied to a report from the Center for Automotive Research is outlining the potential costs to automakers of maintaining am radio functionality in electric vehicles. Due to like, it's complex, because there's all this electromagnetic interference, right electric vehicles, it's going to cost a lot little hint here, a cost to mitigate the interference in order to let the am radio work properly, could cost as much as$3.8 billion dollars by 20. I missed this one. That may be the last time we can ever play that. Because no one believes that that's happened and after the CV adoption thing. So basically, back to the am radio, like the technical solutions needed to make it possible is like a lot of shielding that has to happen. It could cost almost $100 per vehicle to make it happen. So obviously, you have a fight now, right because you have legislative efforts that are trying to make it mandatory to have a am radio the the you know, the dealer Association alliance for automotive innovation is pushing back Jamba Zella CEO for them. He's saying like, hey, look, mandating airbags and brakes and things like that, but mandating that you quit an am FM radio inside is unprecedented. And there's another side, the professional broadcasters Alliance, well, what are they lobbying for Kyle? They're like, keep it we need we need a free channel into everyone's vehicle. I know that it's I mean, they're saying it's a safety issue in emergency that am radio is tried and true. But it's like, Isn't FM radio too? Or is it the ambit? Like I don't know how relevant it is? And how much it's just like kind of like, Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? cell

Kyle Mountsier: 7:08

service? I don't know. Satellite? Yeah, I don't I'm not the tech guy. All I know, is that if we are out here, saying, We have to have EVs and we have to have a FM radio like the two sides aren't talking to each other at this point.

Paul Daly: 7:27

No, they're not. No, they're not. So I bet if you put a little checkbox on a buyer's order, like would you like to am radio, it's going to be an extra$100. That that's going to be the loneliest checkbox on a buyer's order.

Kyle Mountsier: 7:41

There's still some there's still a ton of people in Cincinnati that listen to 700 Wo w

Paul Daly: 7:45

sportsradio. Right. It's KY w 1060. in Philly, I still remember it. Our producer Nathan just dropped in. Didn't we just do a nationwide test of cell phone alerts a couple of weeks ago,

Kyle Mountsier: 7:57

right? It worked. We weren't I was on a zoom call and it

Paul Daly: 8:01

worked. Oh, it didn't didn't work for the person on the other side of the Zoom call.

Kyle Mountsier: 8:05

Oh my goodness. It like what was on how many people were

Paul Daly: 8:09

on the call. Everyone's like, it sounds like you're on vacation. Where

Kyle Mountsier: 8:12

are you are? No, I was here. I was here. I was on a zoom call was six people. And I thought I was I thought everyone was gonna die. It was like every office turned

Paul Daly: 8:23

that the air buds. Oh my gosh. Where's your phone plugged into your? That'd be funny if your phone was?

Kyle Mountsier: 8:28

That would have been ridiculous. Yeah, I know. Well, either way it worked. Am radio.

Paul Daly: 8:34

We'll see. All right. Hey, it's the government. We love to just talk about things for a long period of time, Bob, a lot of people spend it all out. It'll be a good time am radio who would have thought?

Kyle Mountsier: 8:44

Who would have thought? Who would have thought? Who would have thought Yeah. If you haven't had enough news about AI in touch though, this week, we're here to bring you just one more on the heels of revealing AI chatbot grok rock rock is based on musk. Someone's got to make a video that Elon Musk has announced that Tesla will integrate the AI naturally into its vehicles grok AI inspired by the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is designed to be conversational, humorous, and slightly slightly rebellious, offering a unique spin on the traditional AI assistant. The key here is like basically this AI will be a smaller version, because the AI runs on like a lot of power. So it won't have as much does it live natively. It lives natively, it lives natively and will be completely contextualized by your interaction with it right. So like it will basically be your own little learning model within itself. It'll obviously get software updates. But basically what Musk envisions is that it will anticipate your needs, know exactly what you're going to need next where you need to go, why you need it, all that type of stuff and This is I'm telling you, I'm telling you Paul Tesla's a data company track with me must set in reply to a thread on x. He said provided our vehicle AI computer is able to run the model. Tesla will probably have the most amount of true usable inference compute on Earth. So like the ability to infer based on interaction, because it's that close to the user, right? Yeah. Oh,

Paul Daly: 10:28

that's just next level stuff. Is it kind of like make fun of people like because it's got all the cameras to wait, if someone

Kyle Mountsier: 10:35

makes a wrong turn? It's like, Ha, God, I'm

Unknown: 10:39

in a hurry. Are we rock? Rock? Want to go faster? Go fast. I will go fast. Yeah,

Paul Daly: 10:46

I'm super entertained by all this and I cannot wait

Kyle Mountsier: 10:49

to see it. I just can't wait to see the social videos that come out of grog talking back to you. You know, it's like, hey, Brock, I want to go get some pizza. You sure? Looking a little overweight? Yeah.

Paul Daly: 10:59

Based on my based on my built in seat scale, right. You don't need more pizza. You have a built in seat scale. No,

Kyle Mountsier: 11:07

no, no. I'm just looking at you. I'm just sarcastic

Paul Daly: 11:11

by design a mess. All right. Well, hey, I think we're gonna go to use car week in just a few hours from now on. We're gonna find a lot of other people who also think this is hilarious and funny and we're going to talk about it in a live podcast, whatever it is, look for us live. We'll try to make it there.

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